Sage advice from two travelers still on the digital journey. Listen and learn. Too bad they are old enough to remember programming in Fortran and GRID laptops that had a total memory of 362K.
This show is great. Strike that, it is fuuu .. uuu .. uuu .. uuucking great. It is as advertised, and always entertains. Grumpa-lumpa everyone!
Great show as long as you have a sense of humor and don’t live in your mothers basement. Jason and Brian not only take trips down memory lane but also stay current on actual useful information in tech. I constantly look forward to my Wednesday drive. And to the one star hero’s out there…. No…. One… cares…about…. Your… reviews.
Description for this Podcast Tin GoG is not powered by AI nor ML and is certainly not a Crypto Wank fest—it is just a solidly snarky time from two older Tech Guys who both totally swear by, no scratch that, swear about the Blue Yeti microphone! GoG is like The Kominski Method and Silicon Valley meet up with their security friend Dave at a Furries Convention. If you prefer a more literal description GoG is a podcast with two older techies talking smack, razzing each other, and in between all that dropping in some spot on analysis of the commonly too hypocritical tech space.
Brian and Jason (and Dave) always deliver great content, and make sure not to take themselves too seriously. Each episode is informative, but also there’s lots of laughing along the way. I always look forward to my Wednesday commute to work listening to the latest episode.
Entertaining, informative, helped me through 2020, me not being a tech-girl I learned a lot and had as much fun. Thanks guys and keep going
Look, I’ve actually met both of you. Snark is in our blood, but somehow I managed to escape LA (Santa Monica) back in 97 and my cynicism grew while yours only seems to have festered. Brian’s leaving for another county (like I did) give me great hope that he might develop a level of callousness this show should definitely have. Not to mention any names here, but certain other co-hosts could learn something and flee the lunatic asylum after all these years and see that there is indeed no reason to hold back anymore. Seriously, you guys are and have been great. Brian you shouldn’t have a problem wiring in once your settled in Canada; it’s not like broadband isn’t better outside the United States (it generally is) and Dave manages to do it even during cicada season. Keep up the good work. P.s. I do miss running into you fools. (Now you really will wonder who wrote the review…) -W who left for Scandinavia, but was too stupid so came back to the US in time for President Orange Stain.
I love the take the grumps have on news & tech every week. I always queue it up at the top for my Wednesday morning commute.
Do you enjoy the two old guys from the muppets, that sit up in the balcony and heckle the stage? Boy! Do these guys have a show for you! They sit upon their podcast balcony heckling the tech world with an unfiltered wit. My favorite is the security portion with Dave. Dave, an unapologetic fury, brings industry insider knowledge on security going on in the digital world. Last weeks remix of “Dave - I’m Very Grumpy” had me laughing out loud in my car during my morning commute! Keep up the great work guys and stay grumpy!
I started listening to these guys 2 years ago and I look forward to each new episode. Do you love Google Chrome? So do they, a lot.. probably sponsored by Google. Are you a fan of Elon Musk? Not a big a fan as these two. Want to hear all the good news about crypto? Well, these are your guys! Do you own a Ring camera? Tune in so you can listen to people who own multiple Rings. My only issue with them is that they are sponsored by Blue Yeti Microphone, even though it is obviously the best microphone ever and they use it ALL the time it’s just a little too weird how much they love that microphone. All in all an entertaining podcast by two dudes that wish they could join Clubhouse and dream about owning NFTs.
Confession time: I've been starring each episodes in Overcast from the start... But that's not enough - I want to live in a world where artists and journalists are able to make a living from their patrons - I have no excuse for not signing up for monthly donations before today - I added a couple extra bucks as pennance. Seriously though, G.O.G. is the best tech-news podcast out there. Keep up the good work. PS: thank you for ignoring the idjits telling you to stop talking about politics - democracy requires participation, and that means sometimes we have to talk about stuff.
Been listening for a while and look foreword to hearing their opinions on things happening in the in the tech wold. I don’t always agree but it is an interesting take.
Long time listener first time reviewer. I’ve been listening to these two grumps for a little over a year after hearing about them on the Cyber Wire and it’s almost scary how right they are. Every Wednesday I look forward to my commute home since I can generally listen to the entirety of the episode uninterrupted. The security segment with Dave is always entertaining and finding out about Dave’s “furry” tendencies justified him being my spirit animal. Keep it up grumps, you’re keeping me sane through this pandemic. Raphael
I love these guys. It's a grumpy slice of life every Wednesday to break up a day of me trying to explain science to people with varying levels of success and frustration. They throw in a bit of everything - geeky books, geeky TV shows, geeky news, geeky security (or maybe just security?), geeky shout outs and geeky apps and doodads, all mixed in with a bit of grumpiness. What I like is that the guys also bring their vast life and work experience into the mix too, making it a lot more personable and relatable than other podcasts. This leads to great parenting tips, stories of obsessive quests to find out if postal workers are jamming wifi and a look into the seldom revealed world or furries and storm troopers. These grumps may have opinions that you do not agree with. This has put some people off, but not me. After all, I have interacted with a few human beings during my life and I have not found a single one that I agree with about everything. Some people complain that they talk about politics, but come on, who DIDN'T talk about politics in 2020 (apart from Donald Trump - he was too busy rage tweeting at 3am whilst taking a dump*). So give this podcast a go and delve into the world of grumpy old geeks. Stay grumpy! *I'm not sure he wasn't taking a dump every time he rage tweeted. Just some times. Do not listen to this show if you are after erotica. I don't find any of the subject matter erotic. But maybe, I just don't know enough about tech.
I began listening to these guys because of Jason’s connection to The Jordan Harbinger Show, and because his advice helped me secure my email account from constant hacking. If you’ve ever complained about Facebook, have strong opinions on Star Trek and Star Wars or are a fan of technology, then this is a podcast for you. They're informative, funny and always an enjoyable listen.
They truly are grumpy, and that’s a good thing. The topics they cover on the show are always entertaining and thoughtful. Please also keep the Star Wars segment going with Dave. Four stars until Brian explains why he hates Hot Chip — I’ve listened to the show for years and I still don’t know why — it’s concerning. I really appreciate the content. Thank you! Fine, here’s your star back. I don’t even like hot chip that much, and I’m too lazy to find the episode. If they break up, it’s on you two! I still love the show though ❤️
Freaking love you guys!! I just found the show at the end of 2020, crazy year. I’m part of the GOG family now. Keep up the good work thank you! Best Pod ever! Love BITcoin, hahahahaha.
They truly are grumpy, and that’s a good thing. The topics they cover on the show are always entertaining and thoughtful. Please also keep the Star Wars segment going with Dave. Four stars until Brian explains why he hates Hot Chip — I’ve listened to the show for years and I still don’t know why — it’s concerning. I really appreciate the content. Thank you!
These guys are like my grandpa if he was technology literate. They are informative and give you their opinions without any sugar coating. Extremely entertaining and the best podcast I have been put on to in years!
I have been listening for the past 2 years and I love it. There is something for everyone. They bring great news and they discuss. The audio quality and production value is outstanding!!! I do not know how anybody can give less than a 5 star review!
Ticks all the boxes. Disgust, right on point. Sarcasm, not nearly enough. (Yeah right!) Politics, piss off if your views don’t match my own! Tech, enough to keep the title. Security news is the most helpful, especially when giving macOS upgrade advice. Right, Dave? Thankfully, these dummies match by innate bias, which is all that’s important in news these days, amirite?!?
Need someone to bash every tech idea that's out there? This is the show for you - negativity at its best (:
Yeah, f*ck you guys. F*ck you guys. F*ck both of you. F*ck both of you. F*ck you Jason and f*ck you Brian. F*ck you both. F*ck you, f*ck you, f*ck you. I don’t like to curse, you know I generally don’t, it’s generally somethingI don’t want to do. Let me just say, without reservation: f*ck you guys. Both of you. F*ck you guys.
Need a reminder that it’s the world that is insane, not you? Join these soothsayers as they weekly (in ‘Precedented times’ more frequently) highlight tech and security news interspersed with the right amount of media news and nostalgia. The banter, rants, and news make this a Podcast that’s well worth your time. My only gripe is that they often present arguments/insights that force you into action (hence why I am writing this on my first Apple product).
Funny, nerdy, well-produced, opiniony. I look forward to this podcast every week.
The PI 400+just shows everything goes full circle. Remember the commodore Vic 20, 64 and Amiga 500? A keyboard with all computing built into it. When are we going to see the return of the 5 1/4” floppy? Just sayin.
Jason and Brian offer opinions on everything from sci-fi fiction, movies and TV, life in Southern California, and how the tech industry has gone to hell in a wicker basket. If that doesn't catch your attention enough, listen to how Jason is constantly digging himself out of a finanacial hole or pull a foot out of an early grave. For spice, Dave Bittner will jump in to sing a few lines from the Music Man or discuss his furry adiction along with the day's security topics. Sounds weird? Oh, yeah.
I’ve been a listener to pretty much every episode for a couple years now and really enjoy the show.. I’m sad to hear that they are only doing one episode per week now (I understand though) and am pulling for Jason to stay alive.. come on man!!!! Also I love when Dave comes on the show to talk about security (same also when Dave’s coworker filled in for him.. y’all should have both of them on more often if possible :) .. anyways keep it up y’all and STAY ALIVE JASON!!!
This is one of the two or three podcasts that I always make time to listen to every week. Even during the pandemic! Despite no longer having the commute + walking that was my dedicated podcast time! The two cohosts of the show do not suffer fools gladly. Their down-to-earth reviews of tech, tech leaders and the horrible economics of startups are always fair, honest and relevant; and frankly funny. Even when they’re castigating some wannabe tech titan. Occasionally some politics creep in - but real world politics do affect tech and in my opinion it’s an appropriate amount. Regular contributor Dave Bittner (CyberWire and many other awesome infosec-related podcasts) contributes the great “Security Ha!” segment. I also enjoy hearing from their occasional guests eg Seth from famous NYC photo/video/audio store Adorama. I always feel more informed about tech news, tech in general, and even if I disagree with their opinions it’s still an awesome show.
Have been listening for years. These two bring a much needed sense of reality to tech news and life in general. I look forward to the shows every week. Keep up the excellent work!
Oddly enough I discovered y’all whilst in jail and I’m now hooked! Love you guys real ness!
A comprehensive and critical take on the technology industry presented with much-needed grump humor, because if you can’t laugh at some of the crap going on these days, you’ll just go mad. It’s not all negativity, though. They definitely give credit where it’s due. I just wish it was due more often! I have one request that would make this perfect for me: with COVID, my routine is shot (like many) and I end up marathoning to catch up on GOG when I can. And I would love it if someone said the day and date of recording in the intro to give context. Keep on grumpin’
Just started listening to you guys this year, and I’m surprised it’s taken me so long to find this podcast. I love the insights and recommendations, and the fact that you two, while similar in many ways, disagree on many things, too. Thanks for all you do; looking forward to becoming a Patreon supporter soon!
I am a HVAC mechanic and work by myself so podcasts and audible are how I get through my day. Even though I am not a tech person I enjoy the show. I get great reading and media tips, plus it’s fun. Can’t wait to hear about Brian’s love for scooters.
Love these guys. Love the banter between them. I always put them at the top of the list when the show arrives. Security Ha is one of my favs as is the library. I have gotten some great suggestions and I even tried some they stated weren't good (and they were right!) Dave Bitner is a great addition to Security Ha. Just got back from vacation 😢 and had 5 episodes to listen to. Score! Keep on grumping!
One of my favorite shows. A lot of great info; and you’ll find yourself talking back to the speaker 🔊 in agreement or disagreement. —not that they can hear you. Luls 🤪
I stumbled upon GOG about 7 months ago and their new episodes quickly became my most anticipated They offer a great discussion about how tech is invading our lives, but do so in a fun and light-hearted manner. Once things stabilize I will be throwing my money at these guys, because they really work hard to deliver for their listeners, and deserve way more than they are getting. Great podcast, and always worth your time!
This is quite simply the best podcast... period. Any detractors can just go jump in a lake. A perfect blend of topical, political, financial (well once you bring back the stock stuff) and good old grumpiness. My week is sad in between the shows and euphoric when a new one is dropped. My company recently gave all employees new iPhone Se’s to have their own contract tracing for C19 ... not for spying on them of course 🙈🙉🐵 🤣😂🤣 This is my first apple device, so I’m taking the opportunity to mash stars in overcast and write this review. Chin up chaps and grump on. Marts
Fun banter by some grumpy tech dudes. Love hearing them vet and tear down new products. I pictured Brian as a bald dude, it appears he’s exactly the way a dude making websites for the goo goo dolls in LA should look. More nostalgic tech references and AI tear downs please.
Hey Grumps, I started listening to your podcasts a few months ago. Been loving it! When I told my wife that I was listening to this podcast, she laughed, and laughed… and laughed… Then proceeded to say “That’s you!”. Yep, I have a Grinch ornament dedicated to me on our Xmas tree and I’m also an older web dev who’s still trying to figure out how to make money… So if you ever need a substitute grump, let me know! Brian, good luck with the toddler and quarantine. We have a 3 year old and 1 year old and this is pure torture. Everything will be easy after this nonsense. Also, Farscape is the best and has legs, BUT the 1st and good part of the 2nd season are not great. It redeems itself in the 3rd and 4th and is one of my favorites of all time, but you gotta pay for it… Anyhow, thanks for all the info and stuff you like! Keep grumpin!
These guys are great frankly. While some (obvious) trump supporter whined, the hosts are only talking about the most obvious. I was actually wondering when they would start simply confronting the facts (not alternative facts but real facts). I think they did a great job without question. I listen to every show when it’s published.
For the longest time I thought his name was Brian Chillmeister! So awesome, my mind will never stop hearing it that way. Started listening a few years ago when Jason low-key plugged it on another podcast it. Been hooked ever since! Im class of 2000: too young for web 1.0 too old for web 2.0 and Im super grumpy about that! I missed the boat on both! This podcast keeps me chuckling about that fact. Listening from an undisclosed location in the outer rim of Silicon Valley. Thank you! Long live CHILLMEISTER!
Every podcast is informative and fun to listen to while I take a break from griping and moaning about the world.
Tech tech snarky tech. I’ve been listening to and recommending this pod for years. GOG’s healthy skepticism of Big Tech and refusal to drink the cool-aid keeps them ahead of the curve again & again. Love to hear their thoughts on possible Quarantimes Pt. 2 in the fall. Are there new strategies to employ and essentials to gather? Move to family or friends before a 2nd mass lockdown?
Been listening to these guys since 2016 and I’ve enjoyed almost every episode! Jason and Brian are reason I feel like I have somewhat of a decent knowledge of whats going on in the tech world. Especially when they discuss the news with their banter and grumpy humor. I’m in my mid-twenties and its somewhat enlightening to listen in on their grumpy wisdom on tech. Thanks for helping me be informed and for all the tech tips. Keep up the good work and.... Deliveroo
I’m grumpy, I’m old, I’m a geek, and I’m in good company. I look forward to each new show that pops up in my feed. Since I often work alone I enjoy listening to you guys “talk shop”. Keep up the good work and stay grumpy!
Made me stop listening to all other podcasts. Now I am so addicted I had to restart on Spotify and I’m on #40. I listen to you guys when I drive a van for amazon. Every days extreme workload makes me feel like I work for Walmart, but you two somehow manage to make my day. I also run a WISP with two of my brothers 100 miles from our homes, and I love the technology aspect of your show. You should talk about QAM. Microwave frequencies are an unsung hero today. Keep up the good work and I’d love to hear from some more guests.
This is the best podcast ever. They provide so much fresh incitement to the tech world, side tangents and other interesting topics. They are my go-to podcasts. 5 stars! Would recommend do everyone. PS , podcasts app is.. eh. Can’t “lookup” in the copy/paste select menu. 12.4.5 iPad mini and iPhone 8plus 13.3.1
I only discovered this great podcast a year ago and it quickly became one of two default podcasts to start my morning (the other being Never Not Funny). It's concise, funny, and informative. I'm a bit older but i still share most of their cultural references (except recent music which i lost track of around 1990). I've been using computers since the timeshare teletypes in my high school math office using yellow punch tape to save programs running the Moon Lander and Star Trek games in the mid-70's. After suffering with all sorts of OSs (especially WinDoze) i finally got my own Mac 15 years ago. Thanks to Jason and Brian for all the laughs and entertainment. P.S. even though i'm writing this on iTunes, I listen via the best podacast app in the world - Overcast (i've tried them all) and star every one i can. LL&P.
I may not agree with some of the political opinions of the hosts, but I can agree with most everything else. This is by far my favorite podcast and has been a highlight of my week during some really rough times. The balance of news, commentary, tech and occasional politics (tech related) is amazing. A true class act and a true pleasure. Thank you gents.
Papa Bittner pointed me to GOG a few years ago and now I am a full member of team grumpy. Thank you and keep up the great podcast.
These guys are great. They don’t just grump about tech, they grump about everything. As a 66 year old, I can dig that. I listen at work, where I grump about everything, too. Grumpiness is wonderful. Even the ads are great, though no one cares if I manscape or let nature run wild.
“Can’t believe all Apple is making is a watch” , of course “oil will always be oil” thus Exxon having a higher market cap than Apple, where’s your Google Glass, Bryan ? Have only been listening since 2018 but dug out the original fossil. You guys have been killing it for years and please keep going. Stay grumpy
Testing to help out the podcast see if they get the slack notification! Also: These guys are fortune tellers! They humorously illustrate how over optimism in tech can be dangerous or just plain entertaining. It's good to get a cautionary take on tech, security, and pop culture. Keep on grumpin’!
Favorite tech show, hands down. Hosts are extremely responsive to feedback and (more importantly) knowledgeable about the field. My favorite episodes are the Saturday shows, especially the Security Hah and Apps & Doodads segments though I do listen to every ep that comes out as soon as I possibly can. Stay grumpy ? ❤️
I love Manscaped! When you get too furry, clean it up in a hurry. Also, Jason and Brian are pretty cool too. Just give it a listen already!
Started listening to this show cause it sounded interesting and made the half mistake of listening at the beginning. While audio quality was bad, kinda fun to hear how bad the all iot companies were “great”. Can say the newer episodes are a lot better and I do agree with a lot of what they say, even though I’m one of the millennials they harp on (though I am an anomaly as my one social media account is Facebook that I never post on). Would heavily recommend to all non-snowflakes. Stay Grumpy
The best podcast whose site ends with .show - now at less than half the cost of the closest competitor! Features include: - grumpy - ragging on e-scooter morons - ragging on C-suite morons - debating what makes a technology company - advice on grooming your nads - furries - shout outs for funny reviews
I started listening to this show a couple of months ago and have been working my way through the backlog of old episodes. Even though I am new to the tech field and almost 20 years younger than Jason and Brian, I still relate so much to many of their themes and thoughts. I spend a lot of time in the car listening to their shows, and honestly feel that their insights have helped me immerse myself into the world of tech in ways I never quite have before. Their reporting of news, while moderately opinionated, never seems to tell you how to feel about it and instead gives you their thoughts as people that have “been there, done that.” I also thoroughly enjoy their media suggestions such as books and tv shows, and have found myself keeping a list of things to check out after particularly passionate episodes, such as the books “Deamon” and “Freedom” by Daniel Suarez. Keep up the good work and as always, stay grumpy.
The header says it all. Listen to this podcast or the Fur Mafia will find you :-)
This is a very enjoyable podcast that keeps me informed on the latest trends in technology. I really like the cybersecurity discussions. Stay grumpy! Jeff W
Fun and easy lo learn, even easier way to get up to date about the Tech news
I don’t consider myself old but I do find myself completely identifying with these 2 geeks. Great podcast to keep up with what is going on in tech. I have a 3 year old “turdler” at home and have found myself sharing many of the same frustrations and concerns with Brian when it comes to kids and tech. PS, the manscaping ads make me giggle every time I hear them. Edit to add: I love how links to everything you talk about are included in the show notes.
Housework is not the most invigorating task especially when you've done it for decades. However, it's a perfect time to put on a podcast and scrub away. This podcast covers a lot of topics while still giving one a good peek under the sheets. There are issues covered that I would never have come across in my everyday life. Information is not doled out in a dry manner but with humor and sarcasm. I walk away with pointers that make me wiser about my tech purchases, help me improve many aspects of security, keep me in the know of books/cinema/TV and much, much more. They do tend though to giggle A LOT between each other. One does have to wonder if they are simply that joyful or if there are substances involved 🤔 Anyway, kudos to the format, the quality and the overall tone they bring to the podcast. I simply can't manage to do my household chores without them.
This is probably the best podcast for Gen-Xers if not everyone. Without a doubt we have all lost our starry eyed view of the internet. If your a Gen-Xer you embraced the internet but being a product of a divorced home, you know that all things come to an end. Well, we’ve all seen how the internet has ended our hope of a connected, better world. These guys will tell you how it happened; in excruciating detail. It is the one place that calls out grifter tech gurus, gullible Facebook boomers, and despicable tech companies that have turned out to be just another type of robber baron. Keep listening, get off Facebook and listen to the Grumps!
Love this podcast, keeps me current on everything going wrong with technology, so I can be that guy when I’m out with my friends.. Just upgraded to macOS Catalina, and checked out the new Podcast app, and listened to your podcast at regular speed for the first time in forever.. Are you guys talking slow on purpose? Just kidding.. I travel up to the valley on a regular basis, if you guys ever have a GOG Social or something, I’d be happy to buy you guys a beer.. Keep up the great work!
The show is kinda lame but worth forwarding through boring chatter on technology and news to get to the brilliant ads, what a strategy it keeps me hooked. Especially the ball shavers - those are the best. I. Even give them money each month to hear it! Keep it Groomy.
Smart guys? CHECK FUNNY? Check Jokes about old computer stuff? CHECK A great podcast and I giggle at the ads because sometimes ball jokes are funny.
I actually had to reinstall apple podcasts just to leave this review but seriously screw that guy who left the 1 star review because the ads were “an insult” not only am I happy to listen to some ads to support the great content that is provided for free twice a week but some of the ads have turned me on to some amazing services (My wife and I both use Privacy for all our online shopping) I discovered this show a couple of months ago and now I never miss and episode and once we are past the money pit that is the holidays I plan to start donating to the patron or PayPal as well as continuing to listen to the top quality ads!
Love these guys to the depths. They say what I am thinking, and are funny to boot! This is a guaranteed soundtrack on my daily commute to the Napa Valley! Keep it combing gents!
Really is the best technology show out there. Excellent combination of laid back fun with tech nerd dashed in which makes for easy listening. And the ad strategy is amazing!! :-)
I give this show 5 starts simply for the amazing ads. They have helped my network stay private and virtualized. Helped me get fresh meat delivered to my door, and never has my manscape been so manscaped. The other segments of the show could really use some work. However I can never unsubscribe cause those 120 seconds in the middle of the show make listening to the other 50 minutes of the show all worth it. Grump on!
I wish I’d found this podcast sooner. The guys are great. The episodes are very educational & informative! Keep up the great work! “Snarky Comment”
These two are the Statler and Waldorf of technology. I anxiously await each episode to hear what I should be upset about next, can’t get enough!
Would have rated the show at six stars, less one star as I had to leave a snarky remark/comment--consider a 5 of 6 (Next Gen) and a MeatSpace score of 4.755. Guess I wil just have to go to the website, what is the address again? Knowing you're both Sci-Fi buffs/fanboys I guess I am older than both of you as I predate your cultural linkage by way of Lost in Space, Ginger was hot. Sorry I couldn't feed the collective kitty or Jason's dogs, as I am snowed in this year and NASA won't fly me out. // AI Snarky ON Old codgers have remained true to their charter, stay grumpy! // AI Snarky OFF
Informative, funny and entertaining. Cringey at times but its all good fun. Definitely worth subscribing to.
I look forward to each episode! These guys are an excellent addition to your podcast lineup. The show is well organized, and prepared. Br(y/i)an and Jason tackle tech news like true grumpy old men (because they are). I am glad I found this show and will continue to listen as long as they stay on. Stay GRRRRRRUMPY!!!!!!
Listening to these guys banter back and forth about the week’s tech news is like hanging out with your own geek buddies at the local bar. They’re funny and crass, yet witty, and always entertaining. Each one is more miserable than the other, but they always get joy in the misfortunes of major social media companies and tech conglomerates. At the end of each episode, you come away more informed than most in the world of tech, and just itching to bite someone’s head off from the latest global privacy breach. A must listen, and keep up the great work Grumps! Deliveroooooooo!!
Grumpy news, interesting topics. From technology to “politics”, Jason and Brian will keep you up to date with what’s going on in the whole interwebs and more. You won’t be disappointed by their great content they will always deliveroo!!!
I am nether old nor a geek but I am grumpy. An excellent show to listen to if you want to keep up with the tech and media news. Makes for a great listen during my walk to school or when I’m smoking my pipe to relax. I’ll hop on the Patreon when I get a real job. Thank you Jason and Brian for quality content in a sea of trash